There is nothing wrong with the Paasche VL, it's a fine airbrush and will serve you well. Tamiya Spray-Work HG Airbrush III Super Fine #74545. When Iwata calls the 0.2, 0.35 and 0.5 mm nozzles fine, medium and large, Badger calls their 0.5, 0.76 and 1.06 mm nozzles fine, medium and large. I recommend medium sizes (.4 or .5mm) as being more useful to I guess Paasche has this whole birds of prey theme going on which is pretty cool. Maior precisão e melhor acabamento em áreas maiores O Paasche Talon TG-3F, Aerógrafo de Ação Dupla e alimentação por gravidade tem corpo em metal cromado de excelente qualidade e cabo de alumínio anodizado para maior rigidez e durabilidade. It is the buyer who should decide how powerful an engine or how high a gas mileage he/she wants. Replacement parts will be cheap and readily available when you need them. I've seen some major aibrushing magic done by a master using a no-name $15 airbrush that most people would dismiss as junk. Some people really need to get educated on what an airbrush can do and why and stop nit picking the measurement details which mean little to nothing to 98% of those using them! Tyamada, excellent link for when I want to update Video Studio 11, but I think this is a better link to Chicago Airbrush! Iwata NEO CN - Gravity Feed. Sure didn't go as fast at that Ninja. Paasche Airbrush RG-4SA Raptor Airbrush. But if you're going to ask for numbers, ask for what line widths the airbrush is capable of (which is different from what the airbrusher is capable of! The Paasche information are easily accessible on the Paasche web site. Clumsy me dropped my Iwata Evolution HP-CS and broke the threads on the needle chuck. I've used airbrushes for over twenty years, and I'm not just posting to win a popularity contest. Paasche VL or Iwata HP-CS. Think I could make some money? If you do buy an airbrush, what are you going to use as a source for air. Home > Airbrushes. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Expert Review: They call it the Raptor (cool name) but it’s basically a Paasche Talon TG with a much smaller (1/10oz) cup and lid. $14.88 shipping. I am a Badger user all the way. Ask yourself a few questions before buying: What type of budget are you setting for how often, or how much you want, or need to use it? They also carries the nozzle and needle for both. I also understand those who swear by a certain brand because it's what they're used to thinking that it makes them a better modeler - but experience speaks for itself for many professionals,and amatures alike. Some people are so swayed by the marketing ploy of needle diameter that it really makes me laugh. Here they are together. The only few different: 1) BESIDE that VISION black chrome plating body over the golden chrome body of the Talon, Talon airbrush and Vision is the same, the only thing is the MAC (Micro adjust Valvule) and the trigger. Even with the 40% discount coupon from Hobby Lobby you can do better getting an airbrush on the internet. or Badger. The HP-CS has been my workhorse for many years and I really like the versatility and ease of use/cleaning, but I had some issues with smaller German mottling. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. That's why I mentioned the Jag at the end! Darned clipboard and it's darned long memory! Bill may be right that a dial-in "fixed line width" like the Badger 200-20 is of limited value. It doesn't make sense to buy the most expensive one when you're starting out. I bought a HP-BCS at Hobby Lobby awhile back with a 40% discount coupon and found out later that I could have save $10.00 by ordering from the internet. Our community is FREE to join. Paasche Millennium; Paasche VL - Double Action; Paasche H - Single Action ; Paasche Talon; Thayer & Chandler. Hobby Lobby does not carry the Paasche Talon or the Millennium at my location. I have both fine and medium 100LG airbrushes, and with my limited skill, I can't get the fine one to spray any finer than the medium. If I had to choose between those two I would probably go with an Iwata as I have never been much of a fan of Paasche's old designs that don't feel right in my hand. It has three sizes available or you can get it in a kit that includes all three tips/needles and the fan cap. It has become a selling point and I think it has misled many into buying an airbrush they did not need to spend so much on but they bought it because it had the smallest tip diameter. When I am told that the nozzle has a fine nozzle, I want to know if it is 0.2 mm fine or 0.5 mm fine instead of being radiculed for asking irrelevant information. It is about whether the customer who lays out his hard cash deserved the information of the airbrush. Which is I'm in the same boat as The Count. The distance from the surface to the needle and air pressure makes as much or more difference than the needle size. The VL and Millennium can use the tip/needle combinations of .55,.73 and 1.07 mm. thin line consistently. To an aficionado, the HP and torque ratings are important specifications, who wants them as bragging rights. I will likely never purchase any photo-etched parts. Also you are not limited to Iwata and Paasche. Iwata Airbrushes. I also have several other airbrushes I use including a Paasche V, VL, H and Talon models. I have found that Chicago Airbrush Supply has very good prices and includes free shipping. To fit an adaptor loosen the screw inside the lid, push the adaptor in and tighten the screw. And there is still no indication of how far away the needle is from the surface to achieve those sizes! Having an airbrush with a small needle size doesn't mean the person using it can actually pull off the finest lines with it. Paasche Talon Gravity Feed Airbrush Set. A beginner-friendly airbrush that arrives in an attractive and well-packaged kit. Air Brushes - Iwata vs Paasche. I also have a single action 200-20 with Medium You don't know, do you? Iwata Questions -- and vs Paasche VL. Bigger spray means covering a wider area and is better for laying down a base, such as with spray tanning. Now a days it's megapixels. Yes Mucker that is a good question. And if an airbrush cost thousands of dollars, it might be more pertinent. ... Make Offer - Iwata Eclipse HP-BCS ECL-2002 Bonus Value Set Airbrush Nice!!!! The Talon is a spiffy looking airbrush with its engraved eagle on the cup and gold anodized cap and handle. Car airbrushing: For this purpose you will need a fine to medium size nozzle, gravity – feed airbrush with a large cup. I went back and corrected the link. OMG I'M GRANNY! For $17 (including shipping) I'll be back in the saddle again. Expert Review: At one time the Paasche VL was the most widely used airbrush in US. I am a model builder with some art background with airbrushes and I have also done some machining in my younger days. Definately a nice guideline from Badger...it gives a realistic expectation of the line size to  the modeller. The Iwata looks nice but I'm sure the Paasche will be good enough for me provided my Sprayit 600-13 compressor can push paint through it. Needle diameter and taper is just so much fluff. She wants to know if she's comfortable and safe. As useless as HP specs on cars without some idea of how that HP is applied. 30 product ratings 30 product ratings - Paasche Talon Airbrush TG-Set. Badger 105-1 Badger Patriot Airbrush and Airbrush Set #1051. I learned to airbrush on a Paasche VL and when I bought my Vega 2000 from Thayer & Chandler I sold my VL as it was junk compared to the Vega 2000 IMHO. http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1153321224268?pid=1208716781313. Then there is the obsession with fine lines. What all is required to use this equipment, and how much does it all cost? Re: "Beginners" air brush? As you can see, there isn't a huge amount of difference at the narrow end of the spectrum (and how wide is a pencil line? Soooo, Count, after reading the various input here, are you any closer to making a decision on an airbrush? The poor horse has been dead for a while now.... A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life.". I am actually switching from Paasche VL to the H. Much easier to clean and quality results! 9,581 381. Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better? That just means more kicking. People look for something that can be specified. Models include: Iwata Eclipse, Paasche Talon, Iwata Revolution BCR, Iwata Eclipse G6, Paasche VL etc. How well do you know areosol based spray equipment? i have a paasche talon and it runs just as good as the badgers and iwatas ive used and if you go to chicago airbrush supply you can get a whole package with the hose and everything for 83.95 i think. For modeling, the 0.35 mm nozzle is more useful. You did not mention which Paasche. ... Paasche VL series and iwata revolutions or eclipse. The point is 99% of the time, it barely matters what the needle size or taper is. I think some people think they can buy proficiency. The diameter of the needle and tip don't mean much and I have even heard you say so. Engineers LIVE for numbers, so those are important to you. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools • Medium (M) - 1/32" (0.8mm) to 2 1/2" (63mm) spray pattern Honestly, any good double action airbrush will only be as good as the person who uses it, cleans it, and maintains it. What kind of paints/solvents are compatible with this airbrush? How easy is it to get replacement parts when something wears out, or breaks? My Paasche Talon will be my number 1 again when I get set up. A poorly maintained airbrush might prevent its user from reaching his potential. Airbrushes. Yes Snap-On are nice and they are polished and shiny, but do they do their intended task better than Mac, Proto, or even Craftsman? It's been a great, durable tool for the last 8 years until I dropped it a broke the needle chuck. If it could spray as wide as 2" it would be suitable...I probably would have bought the Evolution. A lot of people will tell you that. My AB costs 10 times more, but the results are 10 times less!! This is just a strategy to get you to buy something that you really don't need! In the end the "best" airbrush is the one you are happy you bought. To know is not Iwata makes very fine airbrushes and I've been happy with their whole line. Paasche Talon Gravity Feed Double Action Airbrush Set w/3 Heads & Fan Air Cap (TG-3F) Paasche Airbrush travel set VL#3. I've not owned a Paasche (or a Badger for that matter) so I can't comment on them, but I have an Iwata HP-CS. Brand: Paasche. NEO For Iwata; Revolution Series; Eclipse Series; High Performance Plus; Hi-Line Series; Custom Micron Series; Paasche Airbrushes. Unless you plan on freehand airbrushing Richard Bong's wife's mural on the side of a 1/48 scale P-38 it doesn't make much difference. View our, Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. The plan is to airbrush the major detail and then weather it appropriately. However, keep in mind that. Personally I'm a Badger man, and heartily recommend the 100LG or 105 Patriot gravity feed brushes. I have owned Paasche airbrushes, and did not like them. I have a friend that has a Paasche endorsement and I also have a few photos that he sent me using a Paasche on the very projects that got him the endorsement in the first place. If you are into models building, this is certainly one of the best beginner airbrush for models. Which is the better car? I also use a Grex pistol grip (TG) model & my newest airbrush is a Neo by Iwata pistol grip model. how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Looking at 1/16" to 2" lets me know quite accurately what the AB should be able to do. And as I've never airbrushed before, I'll probably be happy with whatever I use first. A few forum-goers (I think Keilau included) recommended the H&S Evolution, which looks like a tremendous AB, but the 0.2 needle size had me concerned that I couldn't use it for broader applications. Iwata BCS Eclipse, HPC; Iwata BCR Revolution; Iwata Neo; Badger 105, 3155, 360; Harder & Steenbeck Evolution; Paasche Talon; All connectors are also available to purchase individually. Your leggy blond friend just left with the guy in the Jaguar! Badger describes their needle sizes as Fine, Medium and Heavy, which tells the novice no more than a  number would. Use your best judgement . And speaking of thinner, they're going to need more with those fine nozzles. I have yet to see a corresponding guide from any other manufacturer. entirely due to my inability to use a dual action airbrush and hold a This was equally important to me in my recent airbrush hunting. A Rolls-Royce salesman also told a customer that if he had to ask the gas mileage, he could not afford one. That's my preference, but I suspect that most airbrush buyers will agree with me. Only used once and cleaned thoroughly after use. Siphon Feed Airbrush Set. To each, his own. The Iwata HP-CS lists for about $179 x 60% + 7% FL sales tax = $114.92. I would start by asking you what are you airbrushing (scale models mainly I assume), and which scale (s) do you prefer. I borrowed my friends' Paasche VL after all the others broke, or wore out, or other problems that I had with them, and I was instantly satisfied with the results after adjusting it to the spray pattern I needed. but the chicks used to dig my '76 Kawasaki 1000, done up as a cafe racer (3/4 fairing, flat bars, resets, full racing leathers) back in the day. On the Bench: 1:25 1969 Z/28 Camaro RS, 1/48 Hasegawa F6F-3 Hellcat. We stock a huge variety of airbrush models from only the best quality brands! Because Hobby Lobby is around the corner and they offer 40% off coupons. to be wise. I've no intention to build diaramas or cut-aways. the Medium I use most. Sorry about the bad link, didn't keep my eye on the ball. See the full review of the IWATA Eclipse. If you are proposing that the manufacturers should spec BOTH the nozzle diameter AND needle taper length, I am all for it. Iwata Airbrushes. Yeah, I guess Keilau has a point about the specifications. *NM* I have a sub-$50 Chi-com gravity feed dual action that I really like. Great macht - YouTube pattern, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials. I've even used Iwata,  and none of these expensive ones were any better than the testors. But, once you get down to pencil thin, how much thinner do you need? Start out with an inexpensive, or intermediary model that has more than one head, or tip on it,so that you can adjust, and figure out how to change, maintain, and get the most out of your airbrushing experience before graduating to another model, or more expensive brand. I could be wrong on this (or just mistaken), but on the other end of the spectrum  doesn't  the needle size give some indication of maximum spray width? Free shipping . Granny, who just wants a grocery getter, could care less what the HP is. I can get a fairly consistant line about the width of a standard sharpie marker, but my hand can not keep it straight oe even enough to make it look good. This is true, and the point I was poorly trying to make with the analogy to cars. Paasche Talon Gravity Feed Airbrush Set. Don't know if I ever want to go as fast as that Ninja without a couple more tires on the ground and a roll cage! Is that a sharp or dull pencil width? The Lotus will show up the Porsche on the track, too. And so the chunky silver airbrush with the bright red handle quickly became iconic and the VL name became synonymous with airbrushing throughout the 80s and 90s. If you can get a pencil thin line with your airbrush - then that's a good airbrush!!! I have there Talon's and am very happy with their performance. 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